Association of Lisp Users, Inc. (ALU)                  06 August 2009
Board Meeting                                          22:00 hours UTC
Minutes                                                Rev. 0

Meeting was held via telephone with the following board members
present, where (D) denotes Director.

Officers present:
	 Ernst van Waning, Pres.	 Rich Hickey, V.P. (D)		
	 Rusty Johnson, Treas.		 Daniel Herring, Lib. (D)

Members present:
	Dave Cooper (D)		Duane Rettig (D)

President Ernst van Waning called the meeting to order after 22:00 UTC
with a quorum of four directors present.

The next meeting will be held at 22:00 UTC on September 3, 2009, by
mutual agreement.

The minutes of the July 2nd, 2009 board meeting were discussed.
D. Herring moves to accept the minutes.  R. Hickey seconds.  The
motion passed without dissent.


Status - Roundup of ILC09
R. Johnson spoke to Dan Weinreb near the end of June.  Dan is still
waiting on some details from MIT Conference Services.  Duane asks
whether this discussion was concerning finances or other details.
R. Johnson says he did not ask about videos or the like.  D. Herring,
R. Johnson, and E. van Waning will follow up with Dan Weinreb.


Status - Motion to adopt the DNS entries for cliki.net
D. Herring gave a quick update as to his efforts thus far.  R. Johnson
asks D. Herring to create a joker account using a select ALU address.
N. Levine can act as admin contact for now, and use the ALU galactic
headquarters address for snail mail coordinates.  D. Herring will get
the ball rolling soon.


Status - Website proposition by Luanne Burns
Ms. Burns (http://thewebmaestra.com/) is a professional website
developer and a friend of T. Daly.  She has volunteered to rewrite the
ALU website.  She has also set up a Wiki site.  The proposed ALU
rewrite is at: (http://lisp.ipower.com/).  The proposed Wiki site is
at: (http://lisp.ipower.com/wiki).  The Wiki is linked off the main
proposed ALU site under Resources.
Discussion ensued about what the ALU wants and needs.  Topics
mentioned include but are not limited to:
- Is the website easily editable?
- What is our vision?
- What comes first?
- The breadth and depth of our purpose;
- Common Lisp vs. All Lisp;
- Provide the forums, let the dialects grow their own;
- Put up any Wiki and let the masses contribute;
- Ask the extended board;
- Redesign needs a guiding purpose;
- Avoid competition with other communities;
- Cooperate with other communities;
- Run this by T. Daly first.
E. van Waning will email Tim and the board concerning moving forward.


Discussion - Proposal to move ALU.org
One member expressed his belief that the holdup revolves around one
major point, so discussion then pivoted around the use of a Lisp-based
Wiki vs. a generic Wiki space.  The current Lisp-based Wiki (which is
not the ALU's Wiki) receives little update effort from the community
and is not held in high regard by some, and should be fixed or the
board should quit obsessing over Lisp-based services.  Some board
members feel that the language of the engine should be immaterial, and
we should just get moving and move to Wikispaces now.  It was
demonstrated how easy it was to move existing site content into a new
Wiki.  One member stated that "Nobody cares it is not in Lisp."  In
other news, another member expressed his interest in keeping the ALU
site in Lisp.  It was explained that the Clojure site is run on a COTS
product, because the Clojure community doesn't care, joined with the
belief that simple page serving has become so common that the Lisp
community shouldn't care how pages are served.

The President reminded the board that other concerns besides the
flavor of Wiki engine have been previously expressed by email and have
not yet been adequately addressed by the proponents.  Another member
reminded the board that it has already approved negotiating with Franz
to acquire, house and maintain a server on behalf of the ALU, with
content controlled by the ALU board and its designees.

It was expressed that we need to achieve consensus on this subject as
the same arguments are repeated with no one changing position.  The
President stated that major discourse should take place outside of the
phone meetings, with the final decisions made over the phone.

D. Rettig expressed his opinion for the record that he is moving
toward the viewpoint that it would be ideal to host alu.org in Lisp
but that a professional presentation is a higher priority.

Ernst will start the off-line discussion.


Membership & Target Audience
Tabled.

New business
None.


D. Rettig moved to adjourn.  R. Hickey seconded.  The motion passes.

The meeting adjourned at 23:05 UTC.

The secretary wishes to express true gratitude for the notes provided
by Rusty Johnson and Daniel Herring to produce these minutes.

Peter Lindahl
    ALU Secretary